OMG DOES THIS MEAN YOU WILL BE WRITING TWIN PEAKS FOR US NOW?
I love this show. And Cooper. And Audrey.
Audrey: the writers seemed to have realised what a fantastic character they had on their hands, and decided to reward her with a young and charisma-free Billy Zane, while palming Agent Cooper off on Heather Graham. Which, what?
According to my_daroga and Mr. Daroga, who usually do their research, MacLachlan was uncomfortable with the Audrey/Cooper direction he felt the show was taking. Since Audrey was supposed to be in high school, he thought that Cooper would steer clear of anything that smacked of inappropriate with her. The show didn't need to have Audrey and Cooper hook up. They could've just kept doing what they were doing, but it's unclear whether MacLachlan would've found even that acceptable. From what I understand, MacLachlan really put his foot down. Now, this doesn't mean the show had to concoct Annie and Billy Zane (Lord, I'd forgotten about Billy Zane), but probably without all the hot Audrey/Cooper tension, they wanted to give the characters hot tension with other people. Badly done indeed, show. But I can't help thinking it was MacLachlan's fault, too.
Thematically, continuing in an Audrey/Cooper direction would have worked, especially considering the very end. That's not just 'cause I ship them, either. Though I do.
I have never, ever seen TV as flaily and out of its depth as those few mid-season two episodes of Twin Peaks.
I agree, but I was well prepared for it (by the Darogas). I had thought they meant that the whole second season was suckitude, but it was really a much shorter segment than that. What they did at the end was damn awesome.
James Hurley, the most tedious of all the Twin Peaks teenagers
What is hilarious about James is that he is Angel. He even kind of looks like David Boreanaz. I love Angel, and hate James. What's interesting about this sort of character is it's a fine line between interesting and ridiculous. What I love about Zuko is that he's the same sort of character, but the writers realize he's ridiculous and wanted you to see it too, while still sort of feeling his pain. I feel like the Angel writers only realized that a small percentage of the time (...the Batman writers, too), and James . . . well, James is a such a parody of himself that even had they realized he was ridiculous (which they did not appear to) they never could have redeemed him.
Josie Packard
She was totally hot. Which was a shame, because she became steadily less hot to me as I realized she was never going to get to be interesting. I do think this was a fault of the writers. I also think though that the actress was rather wooden. Of course, we never got to see her do anything really cool, but sometimes I just get the feeling that if we had gotten to the actress wouldn't have pulled it off.
Living here in the Pacific Northwest, I can tell you that the rural areas do seem quite white. The whiteness of the show can be justified in that context. But yes, they could have done some interesting and/or meaningful stuff with Native American culture and the history of the place, and barely touched on it. And the characters of color seemed really shunted to the side. I guess Hawk was a good supporting character, but it seemed to me there was less of him than any other solid supporting character. I felt like he was the only one, really, where we didn't get to see some quirks about his personal life. :o(
s a kind of missing link between eighties baroque serials and expensive nineties weirdities from the X-Files
I saw the connection to the X-Files (or else my_daroga pointed it out to me) but this is a really interesting statement. I like it.
In short, I guess Mulholland Drive makes much more sense to me now. And, also, I should really watch some more Lynch (the only other film of his I’ve seen is Eraserhead, which is still pretty much my gold standard for horror).
Hm. Mulholland Drive still doesn't make sense to me, but Blue Velvet helped Twin Peaks make sense for me. The small American town with Dark Secrets that terajk mentions is much more . . . I dunno, straightforward there. Of course, that's all Twin Peaks *is*, but Twin Peaks is, imo, messy. It's sort of all over the place. It wants to say all these things. Blue Velvet, maybe because it is a movie and had to fit everything into two hours, is a lot more concise. It felt very, "This is my message." For that reason, I actually like Twin Peaks more. Twin Peaks felt a little more real, maybe just because the cast was so large and you get so much into the lives of all the people there. It was by no means realistic, but the experience of watching it felt more real. That said, I quite like Blue Velvet.
I love Eraserhead. If horror was like that, perhaps I would like the genre.
I can see why it was big in Japan.
Have you seen the Japanese MacLachlan coffee commercials?
the sense of place in the series had a kind of miniature-model crispness, Log-Ladies and all.
Hm. Maybe I just didn't feel this way, which was what I meant about it being sort of messy. I think my problem with the show initially was that some parts felt miniature model-ish in a way that felt like parody--some funny, some tragic, but too big (er, or small) to be real. Other things felt like more straightforward portrayals. It wasn't until after a while that these seems felt like they began to blend together, and even then the writing felt a bit piecemeal and clunky. But I'm not sure I'd have it any other way, now that I have it.
I’m not sure the film has had time to sink in yet, but, well, it may not have been as bad as I’d come to expect
I love the film. The darogas tell me people booed in the theaters (though they like it alright). The main failing of it is it does explain rather too much, and I do feel that it has the compilation feel. It's really not very movie-ish.
I was going to tell you the story of sarahtales, and then randomly remembered that you have her friended. So I assume you know. The glory of Sarah's fanfic was that it went on and on and on. There were so many real moments between characters, so many parts where people were just talking amongst each other, being funny and ridiculous, friends just shooting the breeze and learning what friends and family are. I love The Demon's Lexicon series. A lot. In particular the first book. But to me it seemed to be missing something, and that was that it was all plot, without those moments of just . . . being.
Sarah says they have her cut a lot out, and that she writes all those scenes and the editors tell her she can't have things just because they're sweet or funny. So she posts them in little bits on her journal instead. The weird thing is . . . I sort of totally agree with her editors. A story should . . . tell the story, not veer off into a bunch of people sitting around shooting the shit. And yet those are the moments I want.
So, I don't really know how things should work, other than having a story that is well-paced and tells you the necessary info, and then have supplementary works that give you the added bits--or the back story, like Fire Walk With Me. Yes, this was supposed to be about Twin Peaks.
I would not like Fire Walk With Me on its own, I don't think. And I don't think the thing on Fire Walk With Me would have ever worked in the series; part of the charm of the series is not seeing that stuff, and having to imagine it. But I like seeing that stuff; does it mean I shouldn't get to see it; who knows? Anyway, that's how I feel about the movie: it's everything I want, but perhaps it shouldn't have been made. I'm still really happy it was.
I'll have to try Utena, if you liked it that much, and obviously have such good taste! I'm looking forward to Cooper fic from you; I hope you know; *tap tap tap*
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I love this show. And Cooper. And Audrey.
Audrey: the writers seemed to have realised what a fantastic character they had on their hands, and decided to reward her with a young and charisma-free Billy Zane, while palming Agent Cooper off on Heather Graham. Which, what?
According to my_daroga and Mr. Daroga, who usually do their research, MacLachlan was uncomfortable with the Audrey/Cooper direction he felt the show was taking. Since Audrey was supposed to be in high school, he thought that Cooper would steer clear of anything that smacked of inappropriate with her. The show didn't need to have Audrey and Cooper hook up. They could've just kept doing what they were doing, but it's unclear whether MacLachlan would've found even that acceptable. From what I understand, MacLachlan really put his foot down. Now, this doesn't mean the show had to concoct Annie and Billy Zane (Lord, I'd forgotten about Billy Zane), but probably without all the hot Audrey/Cooper tension, they wanted to give the characters hot tension with other people. Badly done indeed, show. But I can't help thinking it was MacLachlan's fault, too.
Thematically, continuing in an Audrey/Cooper direction would have worked, especially considering the very end. That's not just 'cause I ship them, either. Though I do.
I have never, ever seen TV as flaily and out of its depth as those few mid-season two episodes of Twin Peaks.
I agree, but I was well prepared for it (by the Darogas). I had thought they meant that the whole second season was suckitude, but it was really a much shorter segment than that. What they did at the end was damn awesome.
James Hurley, the most tedious of all the Twin Peaks teenagers
What is hilarious about James is that he is Angel. He even kind of looks like David Boreanaz. I love Angel, and hate James. What's interesting about this sort of character is it's a fine line between interesting and ridiculous. What I love about Zuko is that he's the same sort of character, but the writers realize he's ridiculous and wanted you to see it too, while still sort of feeling his pain. I feel like the Angel writers only realized that a small percentage of the time (...the Batman writers, too), and James . . . well, James is a such a parody of himself that even had they realized he was ridiculous (which they did not appear to) they never could have redeemed him.
Josie Packard
She was totally hot. Which was a shame, because she became steadily less hot to me as I realized she was never going to get to be interesting. I do think this was a fault of the writers. I also think though that the actress was rather wooden. Of course, we never got to see her do anything really cool, but sometimes I just get the feeling that if we had gotten to the actress wouldn't have pulled it off.
Living here in the Pacific Northwest, I can tell you that the rural areas do seem quite white. The whiteness of the show can be justified in that context. But yes, they could have done some interesting and/or meaningful stuff with Native American culture and the history of the place, and barely touched on it. And the characters of color seemed really shunted to the side. I guess Hawk was a good supporting character, but it seemed to me there was less of him than any other solid supporting character. I felt like he was the only one, really, where we didn't get to see some quirks about his personal life. :o(
s a kind of missing link between eighties baroque serials and expensive nineties weirdities from the X-Files
I saw the connection to the X-Files (or else my_daroga pointed it out to me) but this is a really interesting statement. I like it.
In short, I guess Mulholland Drive makes much more sense to me now. And, also, I should really watch some more Lynch (the only other film of his I’ve seen is Eraserhead, which is still pretty much my gold standard for horror).
Hm. Mulholland Drive still doesn't make sense to me, but Blue Velvet helped Twin Peaks make sense for me. The small American town with Dark Secrets that terajk mentions is much more . . . I dunno, straightforward there. Of course, that's all Twin Peaks *is*, but Twin Peaks is, imo, messy. It's sort of all over the place. It wants to say all these things. Blue Velvet, maybe because it is a movie and had to fit everything into two hours, is a lot more concise. It felt very, "This is my message." For that reason, I actually like Twin Peaks more. Twin Peaks felt a little more real, maybe just because the cast was so large and you get so much into the lives of all the people there. It was by no means realistic, but the experience of watching it felt more real. That said, I quite like Blue Velvet.
I love Eraserhead. If horror was like that, perhaps I would like the genre.
I can see why it was big in Japan.
Have you seen the Japanese MacLachlan coffee commercials?
the sense of place in the series had a kind of miniature-model crispness, Log-Ladies and all.
Hm. Maybe I just didn't feel this way, which was what I meant about it being sort of messy. I think my problem with the show initially was that some parts felt miniature model-ish in a way that felt like parody--some funny, some tragic, but too big (er, or small) to be real. Other things felt like more straightforward portrayals. It wasn't until after a while that these seems felt like they began to blend together, and even then the writing felt a bit piecemeal and clunky. But I'm not sure I'd have it any other way, now that I have it.
I’m not sure the film has had time to sink in yet, but, well, it may not have been as bad as I’d come to expect
I love the film. The darogas tell me people booed in the theaters (though they like it alright). The main failing of it is it does explain rather too much, and I do feel that it has the compilation feel. It's really not very movie-ish.
I was going to tell you the story of sarahtales, and then randomly remembered that you have her friended. So I assume you know. The glory of Sarah's fanfic was that it went on and on and on. There were so many real moments between characters, so many parts where people were just talking amongst each other, being funny and ridiculous, friends just shooting the breeze and learning what friends and family are. I love The Demon's Lexicon series. A lot. In particular the first book. But to me it seemed to be missing something, and that was that it was all plot, without those moments of just . . . being.
Sarah says they have her cut a lot out, and that she writes all those scenes and the editors tell her she can't have things just because they're sweet or funny. So she posts them in little bits on her journal instead. The weird thing is . . . I sort of totally agree with her editors. A story should . . . tell the story, not veer off into a bunch of people sitting around shooting the shit. And yet those are the moments I want.
So, I don't really know how things should work, other than having a story that is well-paced and tells you the necessary info, and then have supplementary works that give you the added bits--or the back story, like Fire Walk With Me. Yes, this was supposed to be about Twin Peaks.
I would not like Fire Walk With Me on its own, I don't think. And I don't think the thing on Fire Walk With Me would have ever worked in the series; part of the charm of the series is not seeing that stuff, and having to imagine it. But I like seeing that stuff; does it mean I shouldn't get to see it; who knows? Anyway, that's how I feel about the movie: it's everything I want, but perhaps it shouldn't have been made. I'm still really happy it was.
I'll have to try Utena, if you liked it that much, and obviously have such good taste! I'm looking forward to Cooper fic from you; I hope you know; *tap tap tap*